Contents
• About image output
• About TOS
• About porn
• About NSFW images of characters that look too young
• About UI/UX and annoying things on Civitai
So, I've been here for a while now gaining my experience in AI image generation and
trying to understand what it is in a general/global sense. It's time to take some stock.
This won't be some kind of review of all the capabilities of this service or AI model(s),
but there are some things that I'd like to share.
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About image output
Somewhere here in the comments I already wrote that sometimes a good picture is completely ruined
just because of poor hand rendering. And well, we're not just talking about hands here. Using different
models, I noticed that the hands, lips, and sometimes the entire face are the weak spot for any model.
I guess most model creators would agree on that. And if you are someone who has created a very
good model and you want to start yelling "no no, not any model, mine is good"... just let me finish.
Of course, settings & good prompt matter, both positive and negative, but they don't always work as
one might expect.
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There's a big difference when you ask to render some kind of portrait image, where
the main focus is on the face (closely) [A1, B2], and when you try to put an apple (or tomato) in
someone's hand [A1, B2, C3], or, for example, it is just a girl standing with her back and looking back at
the viewer. Things are no better when the image includes several people. For example, a girl stands in
a bar near the bar counter, where in addition to the girl there is a bartender and other visitors. Or, for
example, a monkey falls from the sky and someone else falls with it.
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Interesting that when trying to generate an image of a girl holding a tomato, the AI draws the girl not
only with the tomato, but also in a dress with the tomato pattern and with tomato earrings. So you have to
put in a negative prompt "NO tomato earrings". But why this happens anyway 😂. I would say that
there are simple image patterns from which AI models can easily create a new high-quality picture,
and there are complex ones.
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Let's take my picture of a demon girl with an apple as an example. Overall the image rendering was
good, but I had some problems with her mouth at first. For some reason she always had something in
her mouth, like a black gag ball, but it wasn't a ball literally. And I mean, I didn't ask for that, and then
I put in the negative prompt "object in mouth, mouth open" but it didn't work. I struggled with this for
a while until I significantly changed the whole prompt. The second problem on this picture was the
hand with 6 fingers. I mean... maybe this is normal for a demon girl 😈😅, but I wanted a normal human
hand. The prompt again didn't work as I expected. So I added LoRA "Hands XL + SD 1.5", it still wasn't
good, so I added embedding "EasyNegative"... then "Deep Negative". I tried several combinations 🤯,
to my surprise, "Deep Negative" without anything else fixed the problem (it's not an Ad). The result I
wanted with a small caveat, with "Deep Negative" the girl's head position changed slightly, which I
didn't want. So the final image was modified in Photoshop, the part with the head was replaced.
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And this is the moment about I was talking about here in the comments, you just can't reproduce the
same image (even with seed) in the same place, in the same pose, dress, etc., but with better hands,
lips, eyes, face. I had a feedback on one of my pictures, generally a guy told me that good settings can
help. Well, I didn't join Discord (because I don't have it), but I looked at the picture he linked to and
used his negative prompt (because it's the same model we used). It helped a little, but not completely.
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Speaking of, I don't get it, why do I always have to put things like this in a negative prompt, shouldn't
this be something by default?! 🤔🤨 I mean, if it's the human (or humanoid) is going to be in the
picture I'm asking for, then obviously he/she/it should have 5 fingers on one hand, 2 legs, 2 arms, one
head, not fused or deformed, etc., unless otherwise explicitly stated in the positive prompt.
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My all set of pictures with a girl in a red dress was also photoshopped, bad lips were a thing there.
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About TOS
I had several photos that were flagged and removed because they were photos of Dwayne Johnson
with naked torso. I mean, I understand the rules logically even if I've never read them. I understand
that generating images of famous people should be within reasonable limits (no nsfw for sure), still, I
have other picture of Dwayne Johnson [A1, B2, B3] with naked torso which haven't been flagged. So it's
kind of confusing. I understand that this is probably happening using an automated system, but
(maybe) there should be some difference, even for a famous people. This is a male and this is a wrestler
whose naked torso has been seen by the whole world. The picture is not nsfw and not offensive. Why
would it be offensive, he's in his pants & shirtless in the jungle, just standing. At the same time, images
of him riding a tiger with naked torso it's okay...
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About porn
Well, you can say "adult content", "nsfw" or "mature", but let's be honest and call things what they are.
Some of the content here it's pure pictures of porn. Personally, I would mark some of them not just 18+
but 21+. I have to say that this is concerning, regarding the future and the young people, who's
basically the future. What I mean is that now anyone can not only watch porn, but they can also create
their own porn content. Which is concerning, because we already have a lot of porn everywhere.
Moreover, anyone can lie about his age and use this service, it's also infectious & addictive.
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I'm an adult and I by myself know that it's very easy to get lost in time here, generating image after
image (not only nsfw). I mean, I can spend hours generating the right demon girl with an apple. And if
we talk about porn content and young people who are not able to control themselves, I think it will
lead them into a big black hole of porn. The question here is simple, are we creating a new "special"
generation of people?!
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About NSFW images of characters that look too young
Yes, in some Arab countries... like Turkey, or, I guess, in Japan, maybe it's okay when a 14-16 year old
girl can already "serve" her adult man. Yes, a lot of hentai and anime illustrate their female characters
as little girls. But maybe it shouldn't be okay everywhere and for any use, such as creating porn anime
which is now available to anyone?! So this is another concerning point, because there are people we
call pedophiles. And maybe at the point when such people simply look at pictures of naked children
(young-looking fictional characters) or sexual acts with them, they do not cause any real direct physical
harm to real children, but in just one moment it can lead to someone's family tragedy, it can lead to
direct physical and psychological harm to a living human child, leaving the child psychologically traumatized
for the rest of his life. Because such content over time may not be enough to satisfy their desire, so this may
motivate them to action. In other words, such pictures or videos may simply provoke them. They can also
see/associate the little girl next door in these pictures. And... there are people who simply do not want to
call such content porn, simply because it is "not convenient" for them. But first of all, this is a simple
substitution of concepts, because if this is not (?) porn, then we should probably ask most people what they
consider porn. Secondly, the Civitai service may be located in the jurisdiction of the United States, but it is
accessible and provided to the whole world via the Internet. And in some countries, images containing
sexual acts involving children are officially classified as "Child Pornography". And thirdly, no matter what
term is used in a particular country to describe crimes of a sexual nature involving minors, it is still the same
crime.
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About UI/UX and annoying things on Civitai
I saw here once on the home page a picture, in short, a skeleton in front of a computer waiting for
Civitai to load ⏳, that is, someone died waiting for this, that was the conceptual idea of that image.
Why am I saying this!? Because I agree, especially when we're talking about the home page. But what
drives me even more crazy 🤯🤬 is that after logging in you are always redirected to the home page,
the same thing happens when you delete your post. Why 🙄 can't I to be redirected to my profile after
logging in and why can't I to be redirected to the page where I was before deleting my post???
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I'm very surprised that such a service has such a bad UI (in some browsers). Is Firefox really such an
unpopular and bad browser that Civitai can't adapt the UI for it? Really? 🤨
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Specifically: sometimes the visible page becomes larger than the screen size of my PC, because of this
some of the content goes off the screen to the right and is not visible. Horizontal scrolling doesn't
work. This is especially annoying when you go to the model page and there you can select different
variations of styles or versions, they all go to the right of the screen and without scrolling (not working)
it is impossible to select them.
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